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Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:00 am
by QuietMind
If one is walking correctly in the divine consciousness, is prayer needed?.......

"I do not concern myself with gods and spirits either good or evil nor do I serve any." -Lao Tzu

"It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles.
Then the victory is yours.
It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell." - Buddha

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:56 am
by mirjana
Hi Quiet Mind,
Welcome to DS. I like your choice of the music for the soul.

As a about prayer, I do not know for others, but they are moments when from somewhere deep inside some words just need to come out; words not learned, rituals not learned, but just a moment when I am somehow in need to express them so that they stay in the air.
Sometimes these moments are a kind of expression of gratitude, sometimes an inner dialogue when I need to express how I would like to see things, sometimes just a poem.
Whatever form, prayer or however we would call it, I think it should be spontaneous urge, personal and not directed from anyone. Only then it is an expression of graceful harmony with self and others.

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:57 pm
by QuietMind
Eloquently put Mirjana. Hi, I just discovered this website the other day. Seems like a mature website among a zillion weird ones..LOL....I'm just looking for peoples opinions on prayer. In my own opinion I don't think prayer is needed if you've put in the work to maintain a correct clean pure consciousness. I think that is what a lot of the old sages spoke about. When I used to pray it was mostly out of fear of something I did or for some desire.

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:14 pm
by blackfellawhitefella
Welcome QM.
Luv the avatar.
Luv the question ... it strikes at the he-art of my expression.

My post is formulating itself , i await it's movement.
Love , Luck & Loyalty.

Fortius Quo Fidelius.

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:03 pm
by mirjana
QuietMind wrote:If one is walking correctly in the divine consciousness, is prayer needed?.......


I like the way how this topic synergizes the one Hello World , where the whole talk , over fear came to Trust. Nice...
blackfellawhitefella wrote:"Trust is the 'gateway' to Allowance.

but , lets agree that Trust is the final goal , for the benefit of staying at the target.

If , Trust is the goal ,

a) why not Be It.
...

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:11 pm
by blackfellawhitefella
Yes.
why not Be It , indeed.

T'was to that question , i was led.

... it is self evident , that my needs are met.
a journey absorbing the differences berween desires , wants , images and needs , confirm this.

... Clarity , attracts as my experiences ,
a journey towards Presence , unfolds that awareness.

... Clarity , expresses Itself in my body ,
my journey to honour those knowings asks questions of Respect.

... Clarity flows through me ,
but am i humble enough , to get out of my own way ?

My prayer is Thankyou.

... for the Courage to trust , that Trust Is enough
... for the honour so granted , in leaving Love and Luck in my wake.

My prayer could beseech ,
for many images from the world of right and wrong , remain unmet ,
but i figure , all that , is just an ego's screech.

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:54 pm
by blackfellawhitefella
an inner rthythm leads , by catalyst or allowance.

My ability to respond , is given me.
... within this paradigm , i find 'my' fulfillment.

I will , Be Who I Am.
I will , again , hear the words ... 'Well done , our true and faithful servant.'
All is well . I Am Peace of mind.

Thankyou Spirit.

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:41 pm
by mirjana
It is a nice prayer blackfellawhitefella.

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:27 pm
by dermot
Hi QuietMind, my early associations with Prayer were like yours i think, in that it was a formulaic response by those who looked outside of themselves for a Deity to adore/fear.

Its really only a word, and means lots of different things to lots of different people i would imagine. The thinking or energy behind the idea of Prayer might be easier to accept it one dropped the age old meanings / and or prejudices around the word.

I think its probably a good idea to express gratitude for the good things that happen, maybe also to have a feeling of wanting good things for oneself and others....the essential idea of Prayer would be an easy and immediate response to those feelings. They are but thoughts and can be just that, but in acknowledging a moment we are giving energy to powerful thought in the guise of a wish, or a prayer.

Having to make a decision to drop the idea of Prayer when one sees oneself following a correct path....is maybe ego at play, the mind loves to play with words.....its the feeling behind them thats important. I hope !!

d.

Re: Is prayer needed?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:29 pm
by blackfellawhitefella
bfwf bows his noggin.

ty mirjana.
... i give thanx for your health , your wealth and your Peace of mind.

Namaste.