Worth a Shot , aint it ! :)
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Worth a Shot , aint it ! :)
Craig Venter and his team in the US have, using sequences of computerized genetic code,succeeded in assembling a completely artificial DNA of a bacterium and inserted it back into the shell of a similar organism. As a result, the new cell is self-replicating, controlled only by man-made genetic instructions. The achievement is probably one of the biggest breakthroughs of this century so far but as Venter himself puts it: “We definitely have not created life from scratch because we used a recipient cell to boot up the synthetic chromosome.”
Yet the announcement has thrown up complex moral issues. And while they may not admit it, religious authorities are worried. Should real lab made life ever live it would not have divine ancestry , would it ? No Fall; no original sin. Nor, for that matter, would it be carrying the baggage of good or bad karma to work out in its current incarnation. Where did this sudden extra soul pop up from? Does a second separate cycle of birth, death and rebirth begin again from here or what?
However, ancestry and descent — though important considerations — are not the main concern. The dilemma is ,how can something digitize out of artificially derived binary mathematical codes have a perception of some ultimate purpose or design — an end towards which its development continually strives, like most religions maintain all life forces do?
Its said the first life on Earth was also a single-celled organism fashioned out of ancient, inanimate chemical sludge. Its indwelling significance was cloaked at the outset by a dense material of inconscience into which the “obscure, mysterious creatrix” delivered its secret consciousness little by little in minute infinitesimal drops till it reached its climax and exceeded itself in Man who is now evolving into a superconscious being.
It lived, it knew, it saw its self sublime, Deathless, outmeasuring Space, outlasting Time. Maybe it's true, who knows. But as people like Venter and Mukul probably feel: it's worth a shot , aint it?
Yet the announcement has thrown up complex moral issues. And while they may not admit it, religious authorities are worried. Should real lab made life ever live it would not have divine ancestry , would it ? No Fall; no original sin. Nor, for that matter, would it be carrying the baggage of good or bad karma to work out in its current incarnation. Where did this sudden extra soul pop up from? Does a second separate cycle of birth, death and rebirth begin again from here or what?
However, ancestry and descent — though important considerations — are not the main concern. The dilemma is ,how can something digitize out of artificially derived binary mathematical codes have a perception of some ultimate purpose or design — an end towards which its development continually strives, like most religions maintain all life forces do?
Its said the first life on Earth was also a single-celled organism fashioned out of ancient, inanimate chemical sludge. Its indwelling significance was cloaked at the outset by a dense material of inconscience into which the “obscure, mysterious creatrix” delivered its secret consciousness little by little in minute infinitesimal drops till it reached its climax and exceeded itself in Man who is now evolving into a superconscious being.
It lived, it knew, it saw its self sublime, Deathless, outmeasuring Space, outlasting Time. Maybe it's true, who knows. But as people like Venter and Mukul probably feel: it's worth a shot , aint it?
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Re: Worth a Shot , aint it ! :)
Hi Naveen!
I don't know about religious authorities being worried. They are free to worry though..
As for [color=#592f00]"carrying the baggage of good or bad karma to work out in its current incarnation"[/color], I don't really see a contradiction.
If it is the spirit that is old or new, then that spirit may enter this world in whatever form, in whichever way, theoretically. Karma doesn't come from the body and these people are only talking about alterations, basically, in that domain.
So, it doesn't matter whether it came from a lab or a womb.
That is my opinion.
Also, welcome to Deep Spirits. Interesting first topic!
Sabina
I don't know about religious authorities being worried. They are free to worry though..
As for [color=#592f00]"carrying the baggage of good or bad karma to work out in its current incarnation"[/color], I don't really see a contradiction.
If it is the spirit that is old or new, then that spirit may enter this world in whatever form, in whichever way, theoretically. Karma doesn't come from the body and these people are only talking about alterations, basically, in that domain.
So, it doesn't matter whether it came from a lab or a womb.
That is my opinion.
Also, welcome to Deep Spirits. Interesting first topic!
Sabina
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Re: Worth a Shot , aint it ! :)
Thanks Sabina..
Appreciate your response!
Glad you found it interesting :)
Agree, we re all blessed ... Free to think , choose , voice our opinions and free for our own pursuits ..
Vanish, My Vanity !!
Gratitude..
Appreciate your response!
Glad you found it interesting :)
Agree, we re all blessed ... Free to think , choose , voice our opinions and free for our own pursuits ..
Vanish, My Vanity !!
Gratitude..
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Re: Worth a Shot , aint it ! :)
[quote="Naveen"]Craig Venter and his team in the US have, using sequences of computerized genetic code,succeeded in assembling a completely artificial DNA of a bacterium and inserted it back into the shell of a similar organism. As a result, the new cell is self-replicating, controlled only by man-made genetic instructions. The achievement is probably one of the biggest breakthroughs of this century so far but as Venter himself puts it: “We definitely have not created life from scratch because we used a recipient cell to boot up the synthetic chromosome.”
Interesting stuff, I wonder if the science behind it is simple enough to allow this to be a direct way to empirically explore DNA encoding. That'd be a really exciting prospect.
[quote="Naveen"]Yet the announcement has thrown up complex moral issues. And while they may not admit it, religious authorities are worried. Should real lab made life ever live it would not have divine ancestry , would it ? No Fall; no original sin. Nor, for that matter, would it be carrying the baggage of good or bad karma to work out in its current incarnation. Where did this sudden extra soul pop up from? Does a second separate cycle of birth, death and rebirth begin again from here or what?
Dogmatic ideologies always have the wonderful ability to riposte in kind with more dogma:
[quote="Naveen"]Should real lab made life ever live it would not have divine ancestry , would it ? No Fall; no original sin.
God's design and man's design are not mutually exclusive.
[quote="Naveen"]Nor, for that matter, would it be carrying the baggage of good or bad karma to work out in its current incarnation.
Consciousness is all that is needed to be part of the karmic spectrum or to be sentient.
[quote="Naveen"]Where did this sudden extra soul pop up from? Does a second separate cycle of birth, death and rebirth begin again from here or what?
In line with the traditional doctrines of reincarnation, to assert this new life as an "extra" soul would first require an absolute knowledge of all life and all death within the entire universe.
[quote="Naveen"]However, ancestry and descent — though important considerations — are not the main concern. The dilemma is ,how can something digitize out of artificially derived binary mathematical codes have a perception of some ultimate purpose or design — an end towards which its development continually strives, like most religions maintain all life forces do?
If I've understood the process involved I think the DNA chemicals to binary transition is just an encoding step and not actually part of the hardware (or is this wetware?) used so I wouldn't really call this life they've created digital in any fashion.
But to answer your question, in the form of a question if you don't mind it, how can something manifest of electrical impulses over synapses and through neurons have a perception of some ultimate purpose or design — an end towards which its development continually strives, like most religions maintain all life forces do?
My point being that this new synthesised form brings nothing new to the classical naturalist's problem.
Here's an article I found whilst looking into it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/ ... -life-form
The video is really interesting, he blew my mind when he started talking about DNA watermarks and "suicide genes" to keep them under control. It all borders a bit on the scary side for me but I'm excited by it at the same time. That being said, I'm sure there's a fair few sci-fi plots which have gone this way before with some less than pretty results. x]