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What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:29 pm
by GenerousGeorge
Sometimes, more often as I get older, I get this momentary unexpected affirmation that life, and many of the things we consider important are illusions. I get a glimpse of OH!!! that's what it is really all about, but when I try to focus on it, it quickly dissapears.

We are so limited by the senses of our physical bodies in our perceptions that it is very difficult for me to consider what the "bigger picture" of existence might be all about. The attempts of superstition and ritual by cult like religions throughout time confuse the matter even more.

The concept of time as a measure of change also seems artificail in a sense and limited to our perception of the world through our physical senses.

So, the question is how much of what we consider reality is illusion and is there a chance it is all illusion??? =0o

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:11 pm
by mirjana
GenerousGeorge wrote:...
So, the question is how much of what we consider reality is illusion and is there a chance it is all illusion??? =0o

Oh, George, this is eternal question and I so much understand what you are talking about. We are definitely limited by our bodies. But, like it is not enough we consciously or unconsciously choose further limitations. Living on automatic pilot, closing eyes in front of evident injustice, turning back to the situations when we should stay front, living in the past and not in now... just to mention few of many. With each such choice we take a part of our awareness contributing first that our life seems to be an illusion and by that making possible on the grander level that life really becomes more and more an illusion. By our limitations we make it be so. I think that we are limitless and that is our true nature.
We have mentioned many times Allegory of the Cave by Plato - The Republic, Book VII. It is great that here in DS we have animated Version of Plato's Cave: http://www.deepspirits.com/ancient-sages/plato/allegory-of-the-cave.php. It is one of very good explanations for your question.

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:46 pm
by Sabina
Nice one Mirjana, I agree that Plato's cave once again fits here very nicely. So do the Matrix movies.
George, did you by any chance watch "The Matrix"?

Many people choose to "not see" and live on inside the illusion rather than seeing the reality. They usually make this choice because looking at reality seems like a too big bite, when it is not really... and the first step is to realize that seeing is a choice.
I think that once you begin seeing and the illusion disappears little by little, you proportionally to that gain clarity in all matters of life. And with clarity comes strength and affirmation.

Sabina

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:02 pm
by Ryan
And the illusion is deep and twisted to make finding your way out of it confusing and difficult...

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:51 pm
by mirjana
This movie is one of great contributions to be really part of our life instead to live in the reality somebody else project for us.
the-corporation-t403.html

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:53 pm
by dermot
Good topic George!

What is insight?
What is creativity?
What is beauty?
What is truth?

Where do they arise/ come from?

More questions??????????
d.

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:49 am
by GenerousGeorge
Sabina, I did see the Matrix.

I believe that this is one of the biggest drawbacks with religions like Chriatianity. They limit and discourage a philosopbhy of open mindedness and questioning and encourage people believe in ludicrous and unqestioning dogma.

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:37 am
by Ryan
Oh, I don't know... if they want to believe in big pink butterflies that release magic fairy dust when caressed, it is fine by me. It doesn't affect me either way. Plus, I find the architecture in the churches to be absolutely amazing and stunning. The vaulted ceilings, the stained glass windows, not to mention the art work commissioned by the church... sculptures... and I even submitted my favorite work of visual art a while back... the Sistine Chapel.

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:18 am
by GenerousGeorge
Long as they don't try to make the pink butterflies with pixie dust part of a school curriculum on science. =0/ =0o =0/

Re: What is reality, what is illusion?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:26 am
by dermot
What is reality, what is illusion?

With respect Ryan, i realise you may be being facetious, but do you not have any problem with people believing complete untruths?
Its ok to believe in the healing powers of pixie dust?
Those elegant churches were built in my country too, at a time when poverty was killing people.

This is a real issue, it effects many lives, organised religion causes untold heartache for millions of believers worldwide - because nothing in their experience has caused them to ask questions that might lead to freedom from dogma.

If we are going to take stands against ignorance and deception, lets start with the biggies rather than taking on some media whore fanning the airways for attention.

This is dealing with reality.........where it matters.
Certainly in my opinion.
d.