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Truth of Intellectualism

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:12 am
by theadvertheretic
[size=150] Truth of Self, Self of the Truth. [/size][/color]


[color=#400000]Naropa was a great scholar, a great pundit, with ten thousand disciples of his own. One day he was sitting surrounded by thousands of scriptures--ancient, very ancient, rare. Suddenly he fell asleep, must have been tired, and he saw a vision.

He saw a very, very old, ugly, horrible woman--a hag. Her ugliness was such that he started trembling in his sleep. It was so nauseating he wanted to escape--but where to escape, where to go?

He was caught, as if hypnotized by the old hag. Her eyes were like magnets.

"What are you studying?" asked the old woman.

He said, "Philosophy, religion, epistemology, language, grammar, logic."

The old woman asked again, "Do you understand them?"

Naropa said, "Of course... Yes, I understand them."

The woman asked again, "Do you understand the word, or the sense?"

Thousands of questions had been asked to Naropa in his life--thousands of students always asking, inquiring--but nobody had asked this: whether he understands the word, or the sense. And the woman's eyes were so penetrating--those eyes were going to the very depth of his being, and it was impossible to lie. To anybody else he would have said, "Of course I under-stand the sense," but to this woman, this horrible-looking woman, he had to say the truth. He said, "I understand the words."

The woman was very happy. She started dancing and laughing, and her ugliness was transformed; a subtle beauty started coming out of her being. Thinking, "I have made her so happy. Why not make her a little more happy?" Naropa then said, "And yes, I understand the sense also."

The woman stopped laughing, stopped dancing. She started crying and weeping and all her ugliness was back--a thousandfold more. Naropa said, "Why are you weeping and crying? And why were you laughing and dancing before?"

The woman said, "I was happy because a great scholar like you didn't lie. But now I am crying and weeping because you have lied to me. I know--and you know--that you don't understand the sense."

The vision disappeared and Naropa was transformed. He escaped from the university, he never again touched a scripture in his life. He became completely ignorant, he understood--the woman was nobody outside, it was just a projection. It was Naropa's own being, through knowledge, that had became ugly. Just this much understanding, that "I don't understand the sense," and the ugliness was transformed immediately into a beautiful phenomenon.

This vision of Naropa is very significant. Unless you feel that knowledge is useless you will never be in search of wisdom. You will carry the false coin thinking that this is the real treasure. You have to become aware that knowledge is a false coin--it is not knowing, it is not understanding. At the most it is intellectual--the word has been understood but the sense lost.[/color]

[color=#9f1313]What truly is Intellectualism?[/color]

Merriam-Webster : Intellect - a: the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will : the capacity for knowledge b : the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developed.

[color=#7e0000] "Truth is your own experience, your own vision. Even if I have seen the truth and I tell you, the moment I tell you it will become a lie for you, not a truth. For me it was truth, for me it came through the eyes. It was my vision. For you, it will not be your vision, it will be a borrowed thing. It will be a belief, it will be knowledge--not knowing. And if you start believing in it, you will be believing a lie.

Now remember it. Even a truth becomes a lie if it enters your being through the wrong door. The truth has to enter through the front door, through the eyes. Truth is a vision. One has to see it".
[color=#3b0051]- Osho[/color]


Does Intellectualism delude the real sense of the things? ;0)

Re: Truth of Intellectualism

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:47 pm
by Randall
I think this is a wonderful post Maheep =0)

A knowing is profound and incredibly empowering. In my minds eye, when we share what we know with others, we are putting weights on a scale for that person and when they are ready, when enough weight has been placed they might come to their own "knowing".

Re: Truth of Intellectualism

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:07 pm
by mirjana
[quote="theadvertheretic"] Truth of Self, Self of the Truth.

Does Intellectualism delude the real sense of the things? ;0)

It is a very significant story. I know it from before and the first time when I heard it I gave the same answer as I shall do it now. I agree that truth is personal. My most powerful personal experiences are connected with Gnostic Intensive or meeting your truth. It works with koans. So far I have passed my answers and revealed my truth about:
Who am I?
Who is another?
What is life?
What is Sound?
Who/what is God?
Working with people I help them to find their truth and thanks to that work I introduced experience about Death and Soul too. All these experiences are very powerful and authentically mine and not found in books.


Re: Truth of Intellectualism

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:27 am
by Sabina
[quote="theadvertheretic"]Does Intellectualism delude the real sense of the things?

I don't think knowledge deludes the real sense of things, [size=130]but[/size] I do believe that one can get lost in knowledge, that is to say, lost in books, scriptures, other people's wisdom, etc.
The trick is to know when to stop and breathe your own air. Not to forget to breathe...

A mixture of Thoreau and Socrates.

[url=]Socrates[/url] said:
[color=#5f0000]"Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for."[/color]

And [url=]Thoreau[/url] said:
[color=#594500]"A truly good book teaches me better than to read it.
I must soon lay it down, and commence living on its hint.
What I began by reading, I must finish by acting."

That expresses my belief as well. Knowledge is definitely important, but theory alone is not enough. We must live too.