The Meaning of Life

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Re: Now is timeless

Postby mirjana » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:31 am

How one can discuss anything about life if not being alive. When so, to know what life is, one has to live it. We cannot live our life in past or in the future, what most people do, suffering about past or planning the future. The concept of time is a big enemy of living in now, as now is timeless. When living in now, we allow life to happen to us and to be in it, we make us to be in flow. Then there is no time to think but more to feel and to be. And that is what happiness is. When one is in such a state, then everything is possible, because one acts according to inner impulses and intelligence, following decisions of the moment, which are a kind of whisper from eternity.


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Re: Now is timeless

Postby pineal » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:28 am

mirjana wrote:How one can discuss anything about life if not being alive. When so, to know what life is, one has to live it. We cannot live our life in past or in the future, what most people do, suffering about past or planning the future. The concept of time is a big enemy of living in now, as now is timeless. When living in now, we allow life to happen to us and to be in it, we make us to be in flow. Then there is no time to think but more to feel and to be. And that is what happiness is. When one is in such a state, then everything is possible, because one acts according to inner impulses and intelligence, following decisions of the moment, which are a kind of whisper from eternity.


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=0) What a nice explanation of life. Zen.

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Re: The Meaning of Life

Postby theadvertheretic » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:57 am

I shall post my opinion right after this short story.

When Alexander the Great was coming to India, he met one strange man, Diogenes. It was a winter morning, a cool breeze was blowing, and Diogenes was lying on the riverbank, taking a sunbath, naked. He was a beautiful man--when there is a beautiful soul, a beauty arises which is not of this world.

He had nothing, not even a begging-bowl, because one day when he was going toward the river with his begging bowl to get some water to drink, he saw a dog rushing to the river. The dog jumped in the river and drank--Diogenes laughed and he said, "This dog has taught me a lesson. If he can live without a begging bowl, then why can't I?" He threw the begging-bowl, he also jumped like the dog in the river and drank. Since then he had had nothing.

Alexander had never seen such a graceful man, such utter beauty, something from the unknown.... He was in awe and he said, "Sir..." He had never said "Sir" to anybody in his life. He said, "Sir, I am immensely impressed by your being, and I would like to do something for you. Is there something that I can do for you?

Diogenes said, "Just stand to the side because you are blocking the sun--that's all. Nothing else do I need."

Alexander said, "If I have another chance to come to the earth I will ask God, instead of making me Alexander again, to make me Diogenes."

Diogenes laughed and he said, "Who is preventing you right now? You can become a Diogenes. Where are you going? For months I have seen armies moving and moving--where are you going? and for what?"

Alexander said, I am going to India to conquer the whole world."

"And then what are you going to do?" Diogenes asked.

And Alexander said, "Then I will rest."

Diogenes laughed again and he said, "You are mad--because I am resting now, and I have not conquered the world. I don't see the necessity of it. Who has told you that before resting, you have to conquer the world? And I tell you: if you don't rest now, then you never will. Something or other will always remain to be conquered... and time is fleeting. You will die in the middle of your journey--everybody dies in the middle of the journey."

And Alexander died in the middle. When he was moving back from India, he died on the way. And that day he remembered Diogenes. Only Diogenes was in his mind--he could never rest in his life, and that man rested.
Those who say, "We are waiting for an opportunity," are being deceptive, and they are not deceiving anybody but themselves. The opportunity is not going to come tomorrow. It has already arrived, it has always been here. It was here even when you were not here.

Existence is an opportunity; to be is the opportunity. Don't say, "Tomorrow I will meditate, tomorrow I will love, tomorrow I will have a dancing relationship with existence." Why tomorrow? Tomorrow never comes. Why not now? Why postpone?

Postponement is a trick of the mind; it keeps you hoping, and meanwhile the opportunity is slipping by. And in the end you will come to the cul-de-sac, death--and there will be no more opportunity left. And this has happened many times in the past.

You are not new here, you have been born and you have died many, many times. And each time the mind has played the same trick, and you have not yet learned anything.
- Osho.

Now, the "Meaning of Life" that I have understood, staying in a well nourished and nourishing family, living in a boy hostel and then living in a metropolitan city is, that life is a path of many possibilities and that we are born as the unknown, that happiness lies in being known (which apparently is the meaning of life). Many of us would have had watched Johnny Quest, the world of contours and grids. Well, it's something similar to us. We are just a grid of emptiness and there are parts of us throw about the world in many opportunities. We within from the without. Many people pass by us in the same path that is a "conjunction" of a soul. We again we share our ignorance for the sake of some wisdom. Nobody else can live the same path as us. We earn many a thing through different hurdles, but in the end all that paths end to happiness of knowing oneself.

So lovely humans, enjoy that every hurdle for you shall know yourself more and help others that struggle their own path for the same.

"Know what you don't know and sooner you shall know thyself" - Socrates, The Oracle of Delphi.
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Re: The Meaning of Life

Postby Sabina » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:02 pm

In a way the story about Alexander the Great and Diogenes is very similar to the story about the fisherman.

This part on the other hand...
"He was a beautiful man--when there is a beautiful soul, a beauty arises which is not of this world."
...is something we could take out of the story and contemplate on separately. =0/
We started talking about beauty in the Beauty vs. Intelligence topic, but perhaps we should start a whole new topic dedicated solely to beauty.

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I liked your thoughts, and don't have anything to add, except in regards to this one:
"We earn many a thing through different hurdles, but in the end all that paths end to happiness of knowing oneself."

I can agree that all paths lead to happiness of knowing oneself, but I wouldn't say "in the end". I just don't think it ends there. There is much much more that only begins at that point. :)

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