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The Last Supper (1995)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:03 pm
by Sabina
Awesome movie (the title is only a play on words and doesn't have a religious connotation), very interesting ending.

Here is a scene from the movie:


Here is another scene. Watch the below only if you already know the movie....


By the way, what do you think about the end of the movie?
How did you understand it?

Sabina

Re: The Last Supper

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:21 am
by mirjana
I do not know if it is right to answer as I did watched the movie, but I do not remember many important details.
So, in that sense, I don´t remember what was the reason this last quest was invited, but when he was asked and started answering the way the guy sitting the oposite side of the table was reacting was not appropriate one. It is logical as when you are on the radical course you become as radical in that as others who you punished were in theirs. It is a kind of cosmic law that you get what you have given.
When the last guest managed to give his answer, which BTW was a good answer, and they moved away from the table, it was clear that their logic was lost. I can imagine that in spite of that from that moment it was necessary to defend themselves and not the principle.
I would say that there are not principles that are more important than the human life. And if someone stands for something worth standing for, suchone should also know the way how to make other people possible to understand all benefits of it.
If we would exclude(kill) everybody who is different or thinks, or behave differently, we would have isolated islands of persons who are chasing and punishing each other because of differences.
There are so many different flowers in the garden, as there are so many different people in the world.
On the other hand, there are so many ways today that "last suppers" are the scenarios, when wars are started, in fighting for parties, countries, principles and causes. I do not doubt that as soon as anyone takes a certain course, it is not difficult to find the way to convince self that is the right or justice one. Even in medicine, which should serve for the good of the humankind, there are so many individual, collective or even global injustices that had taken a course until being discovered as such.
If I believe in any final Judgement then it does´t belong to the human logic, acts or means. There must be an eye that sees from another perspective everything and putting all existence in the global and eternal logic understands what do words "we are all only drops that make an ocean" really mean.
I wouldn´t dare to judge myself being more important or valuable than any other drop of that ocean, or being so much better to judge anybody.


Mirjana

Re: The Last Supper

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:54 am
by Ryan
Sabina wrote:By the way, what do you think about the end of the movie?
How did you understand it?


Well, it is just by their own rules and approach. They became that which they were originally against and therefore according to their own convictions they paid the price they imposed. What comes around goes around...

Re: The Last Supper

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:39 pm
by Sabina
A warm hello to both of you!

I can agree to what you both wrote, however.. how could he give such a convincing speech and then do what he did? He concluded what they are about, judged them, and instantly became them as well, by his following course of action.
How does that idea and action fit into his own eloquent words?

Sabina

Re: The Last Supper

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:02 pm
by Ryan
Because the dilemma presented was a one on one in which he was the one who was judging (he talking with Hitler)... In the predicament he found himself was one where they were the judges. After viewing the reactions, the subtle accusations and having the instinct (and possible experience from others) that he was already judged before he even got a chance to defend, and seeing the plots in the back yard... he made the assumption that the wine was poisoned and gave it to them. If he was incorrect and the wine was not poisoned then "no foul" and all is good...

Re: The Last Supper

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:36 pm
by mirjana
In order to continue here I have definitely to watch this movie again.

Mirjana

Re: The Last Supper

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:38 pm
by Sabina
Yes... however, he claimed that he would talk to Hitler, challenge his views with intelligent debate.
That's basically what he did with them as well, at first, and his words obviously made an impression! So he could have "turned them around".. stopped them from continuing down the same path without bringing the wine into it.
Why the wine?
He is an intelligent guy, and while they were all in the kitchen, he used his deduction skills very well as he concluded what they were about .. but if his approach was really as he claimed in his speech about Hitler, then why did he even pour the wine?

Sabina

Re: The Last Supper

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:18 pm
by Ryan
This is speculation because nothing happened in the movie to provide grounds with which to deduce why...BUT!

It could have been universal justice and therefore he was just a tool to make the necessary happen regardless of his instinctual reactions?

He could have done it out of self-defense..."get them before they get you"; with Hitler there was no immediate danger?

Maybe he fed them a line of BS as to what he would do with Hitler and in essence (if he thought he could get away with it) he would do the same as they were doing?

I don't know...you choose...or add to the list.

Re: The Last Supper

PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:49 pm
by Sabina
Universal justice and "its" supposed tools.. and "Frailty" comes to mind next.
I will start a new topic about that one though.

Sabina

Addendum: Frailty

Re: The Last Supper (1995)

PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:46 pm
by Ryan
Nice transition!
;0)