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Re: Money

Postby Sabina » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:46 pm

Metatron wrote:If you wanna get rid of problems associated with money, get rid of people... :D

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I know there are several subjects that are intertwined... money, slavery, wars,... all that.
Any time we say something is just energy, the talk ends there.
Nothing will change.
Why should it?
It's just energy after all.
Considering the state of things in the world hearing that answer (that money is just energy) brings me to the point of despair...

Should I turn a blind eye to things just because they don't affect me personally at this moment?
How can anyone justify such an approach?

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Re: Money

Postby Metatron » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:10 pm

Sabina wrote:Should I turn a blind eye to things just because they don't affect me personally at this moment?
How can anyone justify such an approach?

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Look, this is not about that at all. Wars, discrimination, money, all of that are problems that come out of human diversity. The simple fact is that we are not the same. The diversity of minds produces people that sooner or later will try to force their ideas on others. This produces conflict. That's why I said money is not unique in this sense. It is the same with religion, sexuality, nationalism, anything you can think of.

So if you ever tried to change the world, people would rightfully ask: why should we follow you? You may persuade them or you may not. You may say the world is not right the way it is, they may say it is. It's possible to change the world all by yourself, it's just not easy.
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Re: Money

Postby Randall » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:16 pm

There is an old saying... that is slowly begining to settle in.... S LO W L Y...lol

What you resist, persists.

Here is an energy thing ....
Negative energy..pushes things away
Positive energy... attracts things

Being against something seems to create an immediate reaction that makes what we are against stronger.

Being FOR something actually creates an atmosphere for change.

I'll put it another way.

I dont believe we can rid ourselves of fear by attacking it... I am seeing that by focusing on love it simply goes away.

Have fun everyone... off to go play a bit =0)
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Re: Money

Postby Ryan » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:44 pm

Everything is energy. All that we know and all that we don't know. To simply provide energy as an explanation for anything is pointless and says nothing other than it doesn't matter... it is what it is... energy. Well, what is the point of discussing anything...? We can just reply to each and every topic posted that it is just energy.

To say if you want to get rid of problems associated with money get rid of people implies that things are how they are and they will never be any different as long as people exist. Is that correct or did I misunderstand?

Randall wrote:Here is an energy thing ....
Negative energy..pushes things away
Positive energy... attracts things


I don't know what Bizzaro world you come from but as to my understandings as to the laws of physics opposites attract and like repels. Positive attracts negative, positive repels positive, negative repels negative. Which supports the theory that nature tends to balance and harmony. If something negative is going on it is simple logics that it will attract something positive to balance things.

As for your quote of "What you resist, persists."...
Americans and their wars?
War on terrorism, war on drugs, war on cancer, war on poverty... and the list goes on...

I would be very interested in hearing your opinion as to what Gandhi, Martin Luther King, or Malcolm X (to only name a few) would have to say about that quote...

It has been my understanding and experience that change occurs when the majority support that change regardless if it is in support of a positive or the resistance of a negative.
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Re: Money

Postby Randall » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:49 pm

LOL
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Re: Money

Postby Sabina » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:54 pm

Talk about a condescending comment Randall.... Wow!
[El] Bravo to you.

Here is another piece of information: What you resist persists

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Re: Money

Postby Metatron » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:59 pm

Ryan wrote:To say if you want to get rid of problems associated with money get rid of people implies that things are how they are and they will never be any different as long as people exist. Is that correct or did I misunderstand?


We are gods in our own sense. The Creator stands above his creation. Our creation is money and we stand above it, so it is all in our power to control it and tell it what to do. The question is not if we can. The question is... do we want to? We've discussed that if one really wants to change something, they can. Thing is, lots of people may want to try to change things, but there never will be enough of them. Tell me, has any of the greatest minds ever changed the world completely? No. Because if they had, there would be a true genuine consensus on how to do things.

Every coin has two sides (pun unintended :) ), you can't help that. No matter how just your intentions, no matter how great your arguments, there will be always people who you will not impress, who will keep on holding onto their ideas as hard as possible.

Randall wrote:LOL


If you ever said that to me, you would go on my ignore list :) People on here can usually do better than lol.
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Re: Money

Postby mirjana » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:23 pm

The following two quotes express my stand point about this topic. Actually talking about this topic turns( as in many cases in life) to be talking about the way we act toward life and changes.
Ryan's final sentence in one of his answers is clear to me as practical answer to that how we personally can influence change when we want something to be different.
After that I took Dermo's quote from another topic : what-you-resist-persists-p2826.html#p2826, as these two topics correlate very much.

Ryan wrote:
It has been my understanding and experience that change occurs when the majority support that change regardless if it is in support of a positive or the resistance of a negative.


dermot wrote:Oh, this is a wide topic, lots of buttons will be pressed with this one.
My first thought is that Spirituality is not an excuse.
Its a chosen mindset, a way of living. By definition its entirely active. If you allow what you consider to be wrong to prosper, without challenging its necessity or validity, then you make it part of your world, part of you.

I was'nt aware that spiritual people were using this non resistance line to facilitate their own lazy morality, but it seems wrong to me.

'All it takes for evil to prosper, is for good men to say nothing'

D.


I think that it is not important what we theoretically think about anything but what is our approach to make things to work the way we would like them to be. In that sense we could nicely learn from each other here making our personal lists of possibilities to grow.


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Re: Money

Postby Sabina » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:24 pm

I would like to add Dermot's text from another topic (What you resist persists) here... I think it fits very nicely.

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"My first thought is that Spirituality is not an excuse.
Its a chosen mindset, a way of living. By definition its entirely active. If you allow what you consider to be wrong to prosper, without challenging its necessity or validity, then you make it part of your world, part of you.

I wasn't aware that spiritual people were using this non resistance line to facilitate their own lazy morality, but it seems wrong to me.

'All it takes for evil to prosper, is for good men to say nothing' "


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The question posed about money was posed from this active mindset. Things are a certain way at the moment, yes, we all know that. It was meant to be a dialogue and a joint elaboration, or exploration if you will. Kind of to see what all we can come up with together. I believe that we are a beautiful group of people, and that if we put our minds together on any subject, we have a good chance of coming up with something good, something interesting, something new...

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Re: Money

Postby GenerousGeorge » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:26 pm

Ryan said...."Money has always been and always will be a means with which to suppress and control people. It was developed so the lazy, needy, fruitless individuals of society can rise above those enslaved masses who actually create the means for the elite few to not only survive but to prosper."

Thats a pretty bold statement. My first reaction is that money is a medium of exchage necessary for trade in a civilized world.

To say that it is "a means" devised by the lazy to control the enslaved masses does not sound right to me. What something is and what something is used for are two different things. "Guns don't kill people, people do." =0o

So Ryan..... are you saying we should do away with money and if so what do you propose to replace it......or are you just saying people who use money for selfish and even evil purposes need to change......or something in between......or what? 80S
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