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Postby ubermensch » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:27 pm

a quick synopsis on me , i am only a few hours into my membership to this site so please be patient. i have very limited formal education as you all will notice in my lack of punctuation or over use of punctuation , my run-on sentences and misspelling ( thank goodness for spell check) , but after reading the spirited debate post "know your enemy". i couldnt help but think of ways out of the craziness that is happening here in the US and around the world . i feel that if i can take the time to complain about a subject , i should also take the time to propose a solution to the object of my discontent ... in america it is true that there is an almost "witch hunt" type mentality for anyone who even hints at socialism coming to america , but yet we are more socialistic than we would like to admit as a nation . any new ideas like the one i will propose are treated with disdain. however we must make changes and almost like a drug addict needs to hit bottom before he realizes that change is easier than his current situation. i feel that is what we face today .back to my original reason for posting here , i feel that wealth should be spread around much more than it is currently . if there were a "cap" on income in our country ( i dont know enough about the economies of foreign countries to include them here) there would be more reason for people to help one another. this would become a badge of honor among those who reached their max and make service to others fashionable. a domino effect of kindness if you will ... im having trouble seeing flaws in this theory , but im sure there is someone who can poke some holes in it...
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Re: income cap

Postby mirjana » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:45 pm

Welcome to DS Übermensch.
I noticed that you have answered on few places and you started with some active ideas like in this topic.
I do not know if the income cap is the solution, but something need to be changed so that the whole world could reach the state of a natural balance which has been destroyed so far.
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Re: income cap

Postby Sabina » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:11 am

New ideas are always welcome here, so here is the first question.
How would you get anyone to want to carry this badge of honor and voluntarily agree to not having more than a certain agreed upon income?
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Re: income cap

Postby Ryan » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:53 am

Or better yet... why an income at all? What's the purpose?

I mean... you are into body building right? Why? What's the monetary gain? I know it is a lot of work... you probably have a schedule for the week, right? So, why... how much do you make working out per week?
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Re: income cap

Postby ubermensch » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:46 pm

Ryan wrote:Or better yet... why an income at all? What's the purpose?

I mean... you are into body building right? Why? What's the monetary gain? I know it is a lot of work... you probably have a schedule for the week, right? So, why... how much do you make working out per week?


i like that . do things for the mere pleasure of doing them . if that is what you are getting at. as far as the working out or body building ... working out is only 3 times a week an hour at a time , my gym is in my basement and my weights are second hand , purchased at a garage sale . im not sure i can go in to all the aspects of why i lift weights. however i can give you a quote which talks about how much i make per week , i listen to this, recorded in my voice ( for a personal effect) before doing anything that involves sacrifice. " if there is no resistance. there can be no struggle , there can be no new energy . without production of new energy there can be no possible contact with the higher levels in our self . struggle has to be accepted as the only means that we have for producing energy ." g.i. gurdjieff ... that said lifting weights could be a very egotistical activity, but being i am in a sort of self imposed exile from society , i have no one i show off for.so for me it is about the development of the physical self . much like meditation is for my spiritual and mental self .
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Re: income cap

Postby ubermensch » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:10 pm

Sabina wrote:New ideas are always welcome here, so here is the first question.
How would you get anyone to want to carry this badge of honor and voluntarily agree to not having more than a certain agreed upon income?


i take a kabbalah course online . one of the philosophers was giving a kind of outline of mans wants and needs through the course of his life . ( not positive about the first 2 being in order) education , wealth , power and prestige , then spirituality ...so after man has achieved wealth according to this heirarchy , the extroverted man i would imagine would pursue a type of political life trying to make his community stronger , perhaps an introverted man would begin a religious search and moving on to help others spiritually . so in a sense we would take out what is now a lifetime of searching only for wealth . as for creating the " badge of honor mentality" i think man would naturally want to show off the fact that he has reached his financial potential , and what better way to do this than helping others .
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Re: income cap

Postby Ryan » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:43 pm

Right... it is about doing what makes you happy... what you enjoy... The problem today is people don't do what they enjoy... they either do what they can if they can't afford to do what they enjoy... or, they do what they think will get them the most money for the least amount of work... and most of them are miserable... the old way of thinking was that if everyone was doing what they enjoy there wouldn't be anyone doing the "S h i t W o r k"... and nowadays most of those jobs can be automated... not like in the past. We kind of touched this subject a number of times on a few topics lately... it is doable but it is not being done because it means "change". And that elite 1% of the world's population are afraid of such change and what it might mean for them... and it just so happens that they have control over most everything at the moment...

Anyway... as with this topic, this topic, and this topic... they are all connected... and if the maintenance aspect of life is automated... the progressive movement of life becomes a matter of self improvement (and as my logic would have it) which would provoke societal improvement as they are one and the same.

After all... if you have improved yourself, physically, mentally, emotionally (and spiritually) won't you inevitably have a positive affect on your surroundings... people, plants & animals, and environmentally so? We are all connected are we not... what happens to one person ultimately affects the other in some way... right?

So... income cap... yes... nice... but it means that your survival is dependent upon service to someone or something else... which puts you in the position as servant to someone who is better and/or more powerful than you are (psychologically speaking). If nobody has such a position and everything being done is out of self, societal, communal, environmental improvement and I work because it is beneficial to me, my wife, my kids, their kids, my friends & family, neighbors, the plants & animals, and so on... it is psychologically strengthening the fact that we are all equal... we all have different roles in "LIFE" (in the grander sense) but we are all as equally important as the other... we don't have less because we do a less important job... This should help eliminate most prejudices as well. Like I have said, and you have pointed out very nicely with the quote by Einstein in the "Know your enemy", I don't believe there will be a nice transition to a "better system"... I know there will be one... I just do not think it will be very pretty... whether it is a "Star Trek" like system or another... like a salary cap... it will be better than it is now...

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Re: income cap

Postby ubermensch » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:54 am

Ryan wrote:Right... it is about doing what makes you happy... what you enjoy... The problem today is people don't do what they enjoy... they either do what they can if they can't afford to do what they enjoy... or, they do what they think will get them the most money for the least amount of work... and most of them are miserable... the old way of thinking was that if everyone was doing what they enjoy there wouldn't be anyone doing the "S h i t W o r k"... and nowadays most of those jobs can be automated... not like in the past. We kind of touched this subject a number of times on a few topics lately... it is doable but it is not being done because it means "change". And that elite 1% of the world's population are afraid of such change and what it might mean for them... and it just so happens that they have control over most everything at the moment...

Anyway... as with this topic, this topic, and this topic... they are all connected... and if the maintenance aspect of life is automated... the progressive movement of life becomes a matter of self improvement (and as my logic would have it) which would provoke societal improvement as they are one and the same.

After all... if you have improved yourself, physically, mentally, emotionally (and spiritually) won't you inevitably have a positive affect on your surroundings... people, plants & animals, and environmentally so? We are all connected are we not... what happens to one person ultimately affects the other in some way... right?

So... income cap... yes... nice... but it means that your survival is dependent upon service to someone or something else... which puts you in the position as servant to someone who is better and/or more powerful than you are (psychologically speaking). If nobody has such a position and everything being done is out of self, societal, communal, environmental improvement and I work because it is beneficial to me, my wife, my kids, their kids, my friends & family, neighbors, the plants & animals, and so on... it is psychologically strengthening the fact that we are all equal... we all have different roles in "LIFE" (in the grander sense) but we are all as equally important as the other... we don't have less because we do a less important job... This should help eliminate most prejudices as well. Like I have said, and you have pointed out very nicely with the quote by Einstein in the "Know your enemy", I don't believe there will be a nice transition to a "better system"... I know there will be one... I just do not think it will be very pretty... whether it is a "Star Trek" like system or another... like a salary cap... it will be better than it is now...

... I think...
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struggling to solve the worlds ills is such a tough job ... perhaps we should get in touch with our superhero counter parts - rhino man and the homeless hero ... =0@ ... i really like your ideas as a kind of end goal . implement my income cap and move toward your ideal community of everyone pitching in and spreading the work evenly .
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Re: income cap

Postby ubermensch » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:17 am

Sabina wrote:New ideas are always welcome here, so here is the first question.
How would you get anyone to want to carry this badge of honor and voluntarily agree to not having more than a certain agreed upon income?



i have tried to think of a way this could be done voluntarily and i continue to come up short.
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Re: income cap

Postby Ryan » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:26 am

=0@

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