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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby Sabina » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:35 pm

Mirjana,

Let me ask you a question. Taking the two people from Plato's cave as an example:
1) one who never left the cave and is content with naming shadows and
2) one who has left the cave and seen the world more completely.
Do you think it is possible for them to reach a consensus? Do you think they should?
Do you think a consensus between these two is the goal?

You used the term a golden middle, and while a lot in life is about finding a golden middle, in this example it just doesn't apply.
A golden middle is a balance, a harmony between the two extremes.
If you take two people, one who is an extreme negative (for example) and one who is balanced, then the middle ground between the two wouldn't be a golden middle, it would still be in the negative.
Courage is a virtue. Taken to an extreme it would be recklessness. On the other hand, a complete lack of courage would be cowardice.
If a person is simply courageous (not reckless) and another person is a coward, then there is no "golden middle" between the two. One of them has already accomplished the golden middle, while the other is a negative extreme on the same spectrum.

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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby Sabina » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:11 pm

Well Holly, I am sorry that you had a hard time putting this video up (it was because of the embed code they provided, by the way, it was only meant for "regular pages" and not a forum), but.... I am glad you didn't give up and I am sincerely grateful that you shared it with us.
I have watched the whole movie last night and it is very good. Carefully chosen words...
I have thought about most of these things before. The military thing I didn't, I must admit, and various talks we've had here on DS come to mind.
I have added the video as a new topic in the Spirited Debate forum, because all of it is not only interesting, but worth our consideration and I think thought-exchange could be beneficial. So, here it is... Digital Nation

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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby HGolightly » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:50 pm

Hello Sabina, I appreciated your assistance with the embedded code; especially, since it was meant for "regular pages" and not a forum, all of which is beyond my scope of knowledge and/or expertise!

Great idea with your posting the documentary as a new topic within the Spirited Debate forum. It is definitely worthy information, so I'm glad it resonated with you, as it had with me. And, like you mentioned, it does raise some interesting thoughts and questions that are worth discussing.

Thank you for taking the time to watch, "Digital Nation".

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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby Alvino » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:05 am

DEAR SABINA , I READ inputs read fast and
skip some parts so mostly i do not know who said what or how.

i think you said this new VIRTUAL created language
is DUMBING PEOPLE down.

when you say THANK YOU to someone and they
respond NO PROBLEM ==
me thinks MALES are more and more acknowledging
a Thank you by saying NO PROBLEM
me stinks this is A VERY VERY dumb or uncouth type
of thing to say
R they telling me that THEY ONLY do kind things
which ARE NO PROBLEM to them
or are they telling me they DID the kindness
BUT reluctantly =
I preach to my loved ones from age WAY UP THERE
to pre schools RESPOND WITH " you are WELCOME
and maybe add= I WAS HAPPY to help you
or such.

added: it may be MY Mexican Culture learning
which causes me to THINK this new common response
is A killing or such of Civilized communications..
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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby Sabina » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:16 pm

Alvino,
The reply "no problem" usually means as much as "It wasn't a problem to do this for you", regardless of whether it was a small thing or a big thing.
If we were to actually get into other languages and various replies to "Thank you", the "no problem" reply is quite common and not necessarily in the sense of the language dieing out.

In German when someone says "Danke" (Thank you), the common reply is "Bitte".
"Bitte" is used like a "You're welcome", but the actual meaning is "please". :)

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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby Ryan » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:17 am

Alvino wrote:added: it may be MY Mexican Culture learning which causes me to THINK this new common response is A killing or such of Civilized communications..


If I am not mistaken, I believe in Spanish if you are to say thank you to someone you would say "de nada"... which literally translated would be "of nothing". Which to my way of thinking it would be:

it's nothing
don't mention it

or
no problem
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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby Alvino » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:22 pm

darn I have to make a way to remember who said what

but I know Ryan IS ONE THOUSAND PERCENT KORRECT == de nada certainly
sounds like NO problem = thanks Ryan

Sabina you went on about the meaning of friends no meaning "friend" anymore
which brings this to mind. For many years, decades I have loved to say
I HAVE NO FRIENDS and you have almost no friends Either :
I have SPOT FRIENDS = because I see people acting this Spot Friends
definition out most of the time == in other words THEY are friends
o nly when we are Face to Face with them = the other times citizens
of the world are more and more busy on other interests to remember
even the names of "friends" = especially in America.

and someone spoke about HOW IS DETERMINED that one speaker -participant is RIGHT
and who is WRONG. =

THAT IS a very easy question to answer === YOU ARE CORRECT AND I AM WRONG
unless you are IN a TEXAS court room hearing
in Texas there is ONLY ONE law
whatever the heck the JUDGE SAYS IS THE ONLY LAW in TEXAS, folks


whoops I may have misapllied some math principle in that comment
2 plus 3 is ..... 3 plus 2 is .....
so WHOOPS the answer above is wrong
the throughly thought out and korrect answer to
HOW do we determine who is wrong , is:
I AM CORRECT and you are wrong

you see that is an very easy to determine who is RIGHT .
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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby earlb71 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:30 pm

Didn't read all the posts, so I hope I'm not repeating something obvious:

Can one have friendship without respect?

Can one have respect for someone without knowing them well?

Is a friend without a respect = just a contact?

It takes time and devotion to have mutual respect.
If you can only have friends you truthfully respect, how many friends can you have and still have your own life?
I don't think it should be too many. I would not want to be a 1 in a 100 friends - not even a virtual one.
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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby mirjana » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:36 pm

Sabina wrote:...
And you know, those of us who see that something is wrong? It is our responsibility to keep inspiring that change.
Watch this, until the end, please, and tell me what you think. ;0)
Sabina


I love this Allegory of Plato's Cave. Here is another one which is also good. In 2008 in USA Film Festival Short Film and Video Competition the following film has got the 1st Place Animation:
Some of my answers to your question are given in the topic What is reality, what is illusion?
what-is-reality,-what-is-illusion-p3998.html#p3998
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Re: Friendship in Virtual Times

Postby Sabina » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:15 am

Mirjana,

It is good, but it is a little too compact, leaving out some details that are important in order to have a complete understanding of the allegory. The animated video of Plato's cave does the original allegory more justice, in my opinion.

On the other hand, I do believe it is important to keep Plato's allegory alive and to spread the knowledge and awareness of it, so the more people do that, the better! :)

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