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Re: Empathy

Postby GenerousGeorge » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:00 am

Maybe it is more like...... "Heaven is the freedom from desire"

and......................."Hell is the pain of desiring"

Anyway....whats a tentmaker know about this stuff. =0@ BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Re: Empathy

Postby Sabina » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:46 pm

LOL! =0@ =0@
A great poet and a tent-maker... George, never underestimate people based on their chosen professions. :))

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Re: Empathy

Postby Ryan » Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:12 pm

I like George's explanation of heaven and hell more...
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Re: Empathy

Postby Alvino » Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:43 am

I like George's explanation of heaven and hell more...
Ryan

I say: DITTO, Ryan:

but Omar is OVER ONE thousand years old, you (George ) are only about
62 years old (maybe about 150 years old in terms of LIFE experiences
(so logic says Omar knows more then you do.
but, i repeat, I agree with you more.
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Re: Empathy

Postby Ryan » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:37 am

Hmmm... I don't quite understand your mathematics but neither logically nor my experiences lead me to the conclusion that just because one lived a longer period of time than another they are more knowledgeable.
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Re: Empathy

Postby GenerousGeorge » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:21 pm

Wellllll....truth in lending, I'm 68 and I dreamed recently that in a previous life I was a tent maker. 80S =0o 80S
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Re: Empathy

Postby GenerousGeorge » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:25 pm

PSSST........... also Alvino I'll let you in on a little secret....come closer.... 80S OMAR HAS BEEN DEAD MOST OF THOSE 1,000 YEARS!!
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Re: Empathy

Postby Leahann » Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:45 pm

OK...sooo...about Empathy ;0) ...

I've done quite a bit of research on this subject, reading other peoples experiences and some of the science or official research done as well as a vast personal history within my own journey.

What seems clear to me is that Empathy exists within us all to some degree or another, in some very little while in others it is almost their entire experience.

Empathy is often confused with telepathy and other psychic abilities as they often go hand in hand with one another in some manner, although I've found that empathy is not the dominating gift when this is the case, although sometimes it is.

What I've found so far is that those people that are truly empath's in an extreme way are in fact born with this gift in tact...and while most generally find ways to block a chunk of this as they grow, in order to survive the emotional onslaught of the people around them, can never really completely eliminate it's effects.

While it's already been said...I just want to confirm that Empathy is the ability to experience another people emotions and life events as they feel within the other person. In other words if I were to pick up on an event from your life in an empathic manner it would be as though I personally lived it.

This is not simply limited to one person to another either, it also relates to the ability to pick up on and feel experiences of other life forms...animals...plants etc...at some level or another.

Empathy should never be confused with compassion or sympathy, because it is a different experience all together as it is in it's true nature simply experiencing another's experience...and while this experience is usually accompanied with a feeling of sympathy or compassion it is not essentially those things.

While I've read some great explanations of the levels of empathy I can't seem to find the references off hand so will attempt to share my understandings...

At the lowest of dullest levels of empathy a person feels or has a sense of another's person discomfort, anxiety or joy from a distance or in person...however in person we can associate this with visual clues so it would not be obvious...however most people have at one time or another felt a loved ones anxiety or overwhelming joy at times even when they are thousands of miles away.

What we call a mothers intuition, or lets be fair a parents intuition as men are also prone to this is often accompanied by visualizations and feeling of an event that is happening or happened with their children, those that are closest to them in physical form and energy.

We move up to those that occasionally pick up on a persons feelings of the moment or a flash of an event of someones past, but it is random...not an occurrence that is consistently experienced. This level is associated with those people that feel a sense of the feelings of another, but they do not completely experience the event etc.

(Note...I don't feel I'm truly expressing the completeness of the above and would encourage your personal investigation on these levels of empathy for a more dynamic explanation)

And here is where my understanding is my experience and the experiences of the handful of souls I've met and am close to that were born open and empathic.

At this level of empathy I coin it as being like a two edged sword...both an amazing gift and a very overwhelming and consuming event.

The gifts of this are many, in the event that we are able to assist another in understanding a situation or self, as well as heal and also in the simple joy of sharing the beauty of the persons experience.

The flip side is when the event or emotions that are being shared, that you are experiencing are overwhelming and in a fashion putting you into a state of shock because of the magnitude of the event.

To give an example...when a person happens along and I am overwhelmed with the feeling and often the visual of an event in that persons life that was devastating, such as the experience of watching a parent being brutally beaten. This feeling can become all consuming and the pain and anguish is very real...all the way to the physical manifestation of the emotional pain.

A real issue for us is that we usually don't recognize this ability until we are in our adulthood, and by then...those emotions, feelings and experiences we have picked up from those around us have become to us our experience and thus we are usually very confused and emotional mess's in general.

As was mentioned earlier we often create blocks or filters as young people as these events are so overwhelming they threaten our sanity, so in a way we learn naturally to limit our experiences through others ... however to truly realize the benefits of this gift and see it as a gift in general we learn control and find understanding...as well we learn to distinguish when the feelings or events are actually ours or another's.

OK...I've been at this too long this morning...so will leave well enough alone...and maybe continue later.
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Re: Empathy

Postby GenerousGeorge » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:34 pm

WOW! VERY, VERY INTERESTING! =0/ I feel that I have empathy to a degree I have to keep it from affecting how I function on a daily level. Maybe thats why my PTSD from combat in Vietnam is so severe. I felt the same empathy for the people we were fighting and all the innocent civilians in the middle. =0o

Good Grief! I'm lucky I'm semi-sane! 80S
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Re: Empathy

Postby mirjana » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:19 pm

GenerousGeorge wrote:...
I feel that I have empathy to a degree I have to keep it from affecting how I function on a daily level.
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That's it!!! Leahann synergized your understanding of empathy so that you brought such an excellent description. Exactly that is what divides empathy from intuition, telepathy...
However we try, it still affects our functioning on a daily level.
Wow...

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