Defining Wisdom

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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby GenerousGeorge » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:47 pm

Kevin...I am expecting the complete answer by E-mail from God any day now. 80S
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby GenerousGeorge » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:48 pm

Alvino said.... Sir, (George, I have decided that God clearly told us HIS GOAL FOR US by Using Jesus
to deliver this TRUTH to US.

Thanks Alvino, for all your comments. You have hit on some important thing. Please explain to me a little why you think you have received a very clear message from God that his message is for us to have FUN. Did you have a dream, did you hear his voice ....... maybe a bi-plane "sky writer".

Clear messages from a Perfect God should be astoundingly clear and brilliant. The idea that because Jesus changed water to wine to have a party and that partys are fun.... THEREFORE...THAT IS GODS GOAL..... all seems like a bit of a "stretch" to me.

Fun and partying is like licking the frosting off the cake over and over. Don't you think maybe an omniscient God would find happiness and serenity more important than "FUN"? It is something about the lesson that it is more satisfying to "LIVE IN THE MOMENT" than "FOR THE MOMENT."

The quote below might seem silly to you, but for me it puts in real and understandable perspective the crazy fantasy, magic and myth that is the Bible.

"A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."

Silly right, yet it is exactly what the Bible says, but interpreted for today. Get it? =0o
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby Alvino » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:35 am

SIR, where or how did I get this TRUTH FROM GOD that the purpose of life
is to HAVE FUN LOTS OF FUN??

THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON ON THIS EARTH who ever lived = this may
be about 40billion people, WHO CAN EVER TRUTHFULLY TELL GEORGE who and what GOD IS
(or is NOT).
THIS IS WHERE OR HOW I HEARD THIS TRUTH FROM GOD because I KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS AND AM PRAYING you will LEARN SOON or before you PASS, who this ONE PERSON
IS , GEORGE.

Does anyone know what LEARN MEANS..............????? MI DUZ....
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby GenerousGeorge » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:52 am

Evidence please. 80S
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby Alvino » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:00 am

SIR, for whatever worth you give to this truth: I AM YOUR FRIEND.

George, please try to just HEAR, hear, hear == and then TRY TO ACCEPT WHAT I AM GO GOING TO GIVE YOU AS EVIDENCE == -whisper there is Scientific Logic and there is ALVINO LOGIC,
WHISPER: THERE IS SCIENTIFIC LOGIC AND THERE IS GEORGE LOGIC. )))

GEORGE, IF YOU WOULD at how your mind processes information which arrives
in your mind you will see (possible) that you CANNOT HEAR what is being
sent to your mind = instead your MIND ONLY STICKS TO AND HEARS
what GEORGE'S mind is HOLDING.
FOR EXAMPLE when i say to you GEORGE \
all persons named George are FEMALE.
George, your name is George.
EUREKA YOU ARE A FEMALE HUMAN BEING.

WHAT i am SAYING IS MY WAY IS TO BELIEVE WHATEVER ANYONE IS SAYING TO ME
WHILE THEY ARE TALKING AND UNTIL ALL OF THE EVIDENCE THEY have
is delivered by them
suggestion DID YOU EVER FOR ONE IOTA OF A SECOND BELIEVE THAT
I had THE TRUTH OF THE PURPOSE OF LIFE.
OR WAS YOUR mind REJECTING MY ALVION LOGIC every millioneth of a second
that I WAS TAKING TO tell you MY VERY STUPID AND VERY IDIOTIC
claim that I KNOW YOUR TRUTH, YOUR TRUTH?

please work on UNDERSTANDING what I am trying to EXPOSE YOU to and TOTALLY FORGET THE
FACT THAT OVER 40 BILLION HUMANS HAVE GONE INTO Bars or churches and STAYED awake
wondering and asking WHO AND WHAT IS GOD and NOT A SINGLE one of those
40 million have EVER received an E MAIL or GRAPHIC document and PROBABLY
not a single one of us EVER RECEIVED an ORAL statement from GOD
giving us the answer.
SO it is then time to USE GEORGE LOGIC == maybe this logic concludes THERE IS NO GOD
OR MAYBE THIS ALVINO LOGIC concludes THERE IS A GOD

ADDED for ages it has been my habit to SET ASIDE some minutes say FIVE
TO THINK ABOUT AND FIND THE ANSWER TO
DO I LOVE OR DO I HATE MY MOTHER. (or who/what is God)
at the end of the 5 minutes I STOP and whatever I have at that END second
is the TRUTH = I hate my mother = UNTIL THE NEXT TIME
I SET ASIDE 4 or six minutes to search for the TRUTH

so at the end of those 6 minutes MY CONCLUSION IS I LOVE MY MOTHER
YOU see GEORGE many people like me SAY THERE IS NO TRUTHS

only HIER AND LOWER TRUTHS

DUALITY GEORGE DUALITY === in my MIND duality is A MIND THAT
CAN BELIEVE OPPOSITE ARE TRUTHS. note i said MY MIND....

Can you ever believe THERE IS A GOD and believe THERE IS NO GOD
a dual mind can do this some will say a FOOL mind can do this.

GEORGE , YOU , YOURSELF ARE THE ONLY PERSON in the whole world
who knows the TRUTH or who can tell you the truth about who or what GOD is

WANT, WANT, WANT , George, you WANT others to BELIEVE
WHAT GEORGE LOGIC has decided YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

It appears to me YOU DID NOT HEAR Ryan or whoever shared his
scientific LOGIC WITH you
he said there are people who have believed IN CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES
FOR all of their 7 years or 110 yrs that they have BEEN ALIVE
SO when ever they are told they are INCOMPETENT THINKERS cause
they believe JONAH was swallowed by a whale or FISH
THEY will button down the hatches, lock their minds like concrete bunkers, etc.
I used to WANT THEM TO BELIEVE AS I WANTED THEM TO believe

by THEM I mean my CHILDREN, my siblings, my father, and YOU my Superior
or others who were MY SUBORDINATES.
IN SHORT ==. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that you will EVER ACCEPT
UNLESS possible when a person knows that NO ONE ON EARTH
CAN ever tell them who or what God is EXCEPT THEMSELVES.
logic says I AM A LIAR OR A FOOL because you and I can TELL a
another a million times WHO AND WHAT GOD IS
so when I say TELL i mean TEACH THEM.

finally word: CAN ANY teacher or parent or minister ever TEACH
ANOTHER person anything == THE ANSWER IS NO.
no one on earth can ever TEACH another person anything.

what is the definition of LEARN.???? teach and LEARN
are absolutly connected to one another
i KNOW that above i said me and many others believe there are no truths

SIR, some MEXICAN GENERAL said; the truth or the picture you see
DEPENDS SOLELY on the MIRROW that WE USE.

I LEARNED long ago that NO HUMAN BEING IS EVER CAPABLE OF
SEEING what they ARE SEEING.

example NEWTON probably saw a million apples following from trees
but 99.99 plus percent of the time HE COULD NOT SEE WHAT HE WAS seeing.

GEORGE, as i said I respectfully say I AM SINCERELY YOUR FRIEND
in other words I ADMIRE YOU A LOT =
YOU are seeking and this is AWESOME according to the mirrow I use
to reflect myself and others.
THANKS FOR LISTENING = finally word BUT YOU ARE ASKING THE WRONG
PERSON (S) we do not know about any scientific evidence
WE KNOW ONLY WHAT OUT SOULS tell us.
YES our souls send us messages BUT ALMOST NO ONE , especially
us AMERICANS can ever hear these messages
BECAUSE our MIND CAN NEVER STOP thinking about our own INTERESTS
while our soul = or in this FOOLISH man's beliefs
while GOD is talking to us.

GEORGE, I TRUST YOU VERY , VERY MUCH.

== IN REGARDS TO the verbosity = you asked for evidence
WE humans (many of us) have thousands of pages of evidence but NOT A SINGLE word
is THE type of evidence YOU are SEEKING, because ONLY YOU have this evidence


happiness is another word for FUN = serenity is another word for FUN
whisper: according to the MIRROW I USE..

I am extremely GRATEFUL to you GEORGE and I feel great HONOR
was given to me by YOU when you asked me FOR MY EVIDENCE THAT GOD TOLD
ME OUR PURPOSE in life was to HAVE FUN
even though your MIND WAS 100 PERCENT CERTAIN that I had NONE.

George, did you EVER HEAR ONE SINGLE WORD that I spoke to you
about your GREAT LOVE FOR DOING FUN THINGS AND GREAT SKILL
IN finding FUN things to do?
Please hear these words NOW and tell me WAS I WRONG ABOUT
YOUR LOVE FOR FUN in life????..
ok ok ok = ALVINO SAY IT : George, did your MIND ever consider the FACT
(or possibility) that Alvino was TOTALLY JOKING when He said
GOD gave us the answer to WHAT IS THE GOAL of life by using that miracle
( STORY )

My dual mind believes I WAS JOKING and my dual mind believes
IT IS TRUE that GOD told me this. !!!!!!!
but now that i have rethunk the question. \
GOD placed us on earth or we are on earth to satisfy the PRIMARY GOAL
of WORKING = (bible says toil)
and when I think about it again the answer will be

GOD PUT US ALL ON EARTH TO undergo a LOT OF SUFFERING.
SUFFERING is our goal.

THIS is the true goal especially for US MALES. What is my Evidence
for this Message from GOD?????


GOD Said: A MAN SHOULD NOT HAVE TWO MASTERS?
THINK about it George what did GOD mean when HE said this
(i will use a different mirrow -for some women it is when SHE said this)

yes, George YOU ARE KORRECT, WHEN GOD said
a Man must not have two MASTERS : HE (she) was CLEARLY TELLING
US A man must NOT HAVE TWO WIVE s).

Please Ladies I am joking????? (or MAY be joking).

My point is PLEASE GEORGE GIVE US YOUR permission to believe stories
composed by Bronze Age Sheepherders = our mirrow says they were PROPHETS.
with great respect and Love== alvino
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby Alvino » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:24 am

SABINA, U helped me learn something I did not know or maybe that I knew
but did not know before.

LEARN MEANS TO CHANGE, change your behavior.

SABINA what color shirt AM I wearing rite now?

sabina being smart , very smart will respond: I DO NOT KNOW.

sabina I am wearing a YELLOW SHIRT.

now her response is CHANGED.
Al you are wearing a Yellow Shirt.

ASIDE: digression: does anyone know her last response is NOT THE HIEST TRUTH.

because she still does NOT know ABSOLUTELY know what color shirt I am wearing.

some say there is no truth ONLY LOWER AND HIER TRUTHS SO
a higher truthul answer for her to give to me the second time is

ALVINO , you said, you said, YOU ARE wearing a Yellow Shirt..
this is a HIGHER TRUTH then if she said AL you are wearing a yellow shirt.

AND AGAIN as the MEXICAN General said SABINA could be lying in the eyes or mind
of some humans = there happens to be a tribe of Indians in S A
who have no name for yellow or who do not believe Yellow exists
they see what we see is Yellow as being sun

Spainards came to American seeking and killing for VALUABLE gold =
Indians saw this element as MUD or similar to mud in regards to its value
(MUD can be easily shaped, gold can be shaped easily was their thinking.

Sorry, my point was LEARN MEANS to CHANGE YOUR behavior.

NO one can teach anyone anything ALL THEY CAN DO IS HELP , help
another person to CHANGE (LEARN) their behavior - but many humans
insist on wanting OTHERS to do OR believe as they believe or do.

I sincerely KNOW I AM absolutely WRONG in my belief ( my TRUTH) THAT no human
can ever teach another anything. - dual mind..
I think it was i NEWTON who orginated this particular belief.

so SABINA you have HELPED ME TO change my behavior no one had to ask me what LEARN means according to the mirrow I use or according to my ALVINO logic.
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby GenerousGeorge » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:50 am

Alvino....I am glad we can have a cordial discussion as friends. That is important.

Look..... evidence is evidence. There is not "Scientific Evidence", "Georges Evidence", Alvino's Evidence"

You say...... " NOT A SINGLE one of those 40 million have EVER received an E MAIL or GRAPHIC document and PROBABLY not a single one of us EVER RECEIVED an ORAL statement from GOD
giving us the answer." Does that mean something? 40 million fervently praying to God for a sign, anything to clarify and justify their belief in an all powerful,invisible being."

That means something.....it means that it is highly improbable that there is an invisible all-powerful "GOD" watching all out individual daily lives....... A God that wants to monitor our bedroom behaviours behind closed doors and keep a record of all those kinds of things to see if we need to be tortured in Hades to correct our thinking.

Alvino, you don 't seem to understand the basic rules of logic that apply to determine the truth of something. Also you don't seem to want to know and understand those rules.

At the end of the day, you want me to accept your wild speculation about God because you are my friend and really, really, reallly want me to.

You say....."THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that you will EVER ACCEPT" ...... you make it sound like there is a lot of good evidence we are ignoring, when in fact what you are really saying is because you trust and like me I need to accept your God in the way you do.

If you want to convince me about anything, you need real evidence to support any conclusion you come to. If you don't you end up sounding like aused car salesman....."Trust me my friends, buy this car from "Generous George and receive incredible good fortune on everything you buy here.

I'm from Missouri, Alvin you have to convince me with reason and evidence. 80S
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby Alvino » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:11 am

GEORGE , thank you.
DO you have any idea or AWARENESS THAT i said that you DO NOT HEAR, HEAR or hear
what people are speaking or telling you.??

I clearly and brillantly told you I HAVE NO EVIDENCE AT ALL to give to you in response to
your MIND POSITION that there is no God.

I further told you that IF i TOLD a LADY in an email that I am wearing a yellow shirt
and she TOLD YOU i was wearing a Yellow shirt SHE COULD BE LYING TO YOU.
Her highest TRUTH about what color i had on would be spoken if she said

AL TOLD ME (in an email) he was w. etc.
what i mean to tell you is HECK GENEROUS GEORGE of HOUSTON, may BELIEVE TEN TIMES
STRONGER THEN 90 percent of Christians or any other religion that GOD EXISTS.
EVEN THOUGH you told me 42 times YOU do not believe in GOD.

ReMEMBER I SAID we humans KNOW many things that WE DO NOT KNOW WE KNOW
so it is highly POSSIBLE you OWN A BELIEF which is many times stronger that GOD DOES EXISTS then I DO.
WHISPER i often say 82 percent of CHRISTIANS ARE NOT christians. JUST my personal claim ..

you did not hear me SAY very clearly to you = YOU ARE THE ONLY human on earth who CAN PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE you are seeking.

You did not hear me say that THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON on earth who can truthfully tell GEORGE
who and what God is = SIR, i repeat that ONE PERSON is YOU, not me or any one else but YOU.


YOU said i said 40 " MILLION" HUMANS HAVE asked the question you are asking and I said
THEY ASKED IT in bars in churches and other places AND EACH AND everyone CAME OUT
with NO answer = by ANSWER i mean EVIDENCE of the kind you seek.
i WANT TO CONFESS i made a mistake it was not 40 million it is about FORTY BILLION
who have asked this question and always they came out of the bar the SAME WAY they went in
with NO answer.

I repeat it appears you did not hear a word i said. I SAID TO you
the picture or perception you and i have of life or REALITY depends onthe MIRROW we use
to obtain the reflection.
in my case MY MIRROW tells me it is absolutely true that GEORGE uses a LOT OF
GEORGE LOGIC = your response was I AM LYING WHEN I SAY THERE IS alvino logic or
george logic = even though i clearly TOLD YOU I WAS USING MY mirrow
my mirrow TO SEE this George logic
please acknowledge that I TOLD YOU that I BELIEVE sincerely believe each human
has thier OWN REALITY which is real no matter what einstein OR george believes
real to THEM


after I REPEAT AGAIN that I HAVE NO evidence of the type you seek and
i am certain NO OTHER HUMAN BEING HAS ANY either EXCEPT YOU YOURSELF
i WANT TO strongly suggest you obtain and study the contents of a book
i believe you WILL LOVE LOVE LOVE OMAR the tent makers
OBSERVATIONS AND conclusions of Humans who do not believe in God AND humans who do.

example HELL IS nothing but the PAIN OF AN UNFULLFILLED DESIRE
AND HEAVEN IS ONLY THE JOY OF A FULLFILLED HUMAN DESIRE

he has dozens of such conclusions or PROPOSALS
i hope you will AT LEAST TRY a few quatrains of his book
I KNOW a hi possibility exists that you might have already ready it
except for my BELIEF THAT his bottom conclusion IS STOP BEING A FOOL
who wastes his time SEEKNG THIS EVIDENCE
JUST MAKE UP your mind whether you believe or not and then BE SILENT

This DS group is wonderful in many ways I BELIEVE WE HUMANS ALL OF US
have TONS OF SILENT KNOWLEDGE things that we know BUT NEVER UTTER A WORD
TO ANYONE about this SILENT KNOWLEDGE FOR several reasons.
one reason is WHY WASTE MY TIME TALKING TO OTHERS ABOUT THIS OR THAT
they will NOT BELIEVE ME ANYWAYS, they will not understand me
another reason is I HAVE ONLY A FEW YEARS OF LIFE SO WHY waste it
asking and pondering and wondering and possible BECOMING INSANE
ASKING and deeply seeking the answer to WHO MADE GOD?

i LIKE TO TELL people that HOUSTON IS NOT A PART OF THE USA anymore.
I say this because ALL i ever see is FORIENERS in Houston. I say this so i can say
BUT I BELIEVE THEY still have a few libraries there with books in ENGLISH so
please thing about getting OMAR THE TENTMAKER
i HAVE read it about 25 or more times I used to have four copies and I THINK I
buy it every single time I see a copy at Salvation Army stores.

Yes, I like you a whole lot so i was hoping that YOUR HEARING that NO ONE ON EARTH
COULD TELL U WHO or what
God is OTHER THEN YOURSELF WOULD help you to make your self proclaimed NON BELIEF
IN GOD a SILENT KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU own
this did not do it so now i am hoping that THE WISDOM OF OMAR THE TENTMAKER
OR contained in that book will HELP U TO accept the FACT THAT human
except yourself can ever GIVE U THE EVIDENCE YOU SEEK

i, myself OWN NO SUCH evidence to PROOF to my children or anyone else that GOD EXISTS
BUT i do , IN FACT, have tons of evidence that THERE IS A GOD AND that he is
MY VERY VERY GOOD FRIEND.
Am I NUTS = yes absolutely in the MINDS of some other humans.
AM i korrect - absolutely but ONLY IN MY MIND.

if you truly believe there is no GOD you are ABSOLUTELY correct GEORGE.

wHISPER, I LOVE YOU GEORGE more then i love myself. I LOVE MYSELF MORE THEN
i love you , George. BOTH ARE CORRECT AND TRUE GEORGE
i would be happy if YOU USED YOUR SCIENTIFIC LOGIC to prove that BOTH OF THESE
declarations can be TRUE
if you do make an attempt = LET s make a RULE this is a new subject
and LET S MAKE IT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD == just scientific logic
what elements would have to be present for THESE TWO contrary statements to be BOTH TRUE
GEORGE
I repeat lets leave GOD OUT OF IT.

IT IS MY DESIRE TO leave GOD alone = because he might become to BUSY listening to us
AND IT MIGHT DETRACT HIM from saving my LIFE AGAIN or saving me from cutting my leg off
with a power tool.
but in case YOU WANT to CONTINUE a lot ot fime or your silent thinking time
using GOD as YOUR fulvrum for practing logical thinking
ask your self this question
ALvino told me HE strongly believes God exists and he goes to Catholic Mass 3 times per week
and he told me HE HAS NO FAITH AT ALL THAT GOD EXISTS.
what element would have to be LOGICALLY PRESENT FOR AL to believe GODS exists
if HE HAS NOT FAITH AT ALL THAT GOD EXISTS
sorry GEORGE i include this ONLY because you LOVE SCIENTIFIC THINKING.
and you say you USE ONLY scientific logic.
i cannot or will NOT ANSWER any quesqtions to help FIND the answer to the latter question.
thanks.

please HANG IN THERE WITH ME GEORGE tell me what has to be a part of the
I LOVE U more then etc = question for BOTH TO BE TRUE..
THANKS
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby Alvino » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:38 am

except for my BELIEF THAT his bottom conclusion IS STOP BEING A FOOL
who wastes his time SEEKNG THIS EVIDENCE
JUST MAKE UP your mind whether you believe or not and then BE SILENT

PLEASE FORGIVE MY MISTAKE, GEORGE.
OMAR S conclusion was NOT ' AND THEN BE SILENT.

his conclusion was AND THEN MAKE SURE YOU HAVE FUN, LOTS OF FUN
HE SAID GET TO THE bar the minute it opens to HAVE as much fun
as you can = forget those UNANSWERABLE questions

i keep almost all my books in some shed i own on a farm
so i forget but:
AH A BOOK OF VERSES A jug of Wine and thou

ALONG SIDE A RUNNING BROOK - or in the wilderness?
would be paradise . ANON

I vaguely remember when he said wine
HE Meant many other PARTS OF LIFE AND THIS LIFE ON EARTH
WHICH WE love , love, love to see, feel, touch, smell, and the like

i remember he said a lot about 72 different religions
you and i PASSIONATELY arguing over is there a God or not
and the72 GROUPS OF BELIEVERS arguing and fighting
over MANY DIFFERENT traits of God.
MORMONS believe they canBAPTIZE you after you DIE,
George, CATHOLICS believe in VIRGIN BIRTH
etc etc etc OMAR SAYS
his answer was FORGET THEM ALL ****** believe in LOVE

HE clearly stated life is short when you die aLL WILL FORGET US
it will be as if you NEVER LIVED so LOVE NOW
HE clearly stated why ARGUE you will still be forgotten
and KINGS AND SLAVES alike will be buried and eaten
by the worms and WILD ASSES will DO THEIR things
over BOTH GRAVES
in other words His conclusion DO not waste time
arguing or discussing these questions etc

i love his' AH TAKE THE CASH AND LET THE CREDIT GO
nor heed the rumble of the Distant drum
LIVE FOR THE NOW AND ENJOY what you have I THINK
is what he was saying
i have a saying SINNING IS FUN, George
AH take the cash and let the credit go = SinNing is fun.
i DO NOT use this but i bet it is true.

George, ONE THING IS CERTAIN THE REST IS LIES
the rose that once has bloomed forever dies.


wrong words in MOST examples i use but YOU MITE BE FAMILIAR WITH
the first one a book of verses, etc.

George i have really benefited from OUR == back and forth.
i hope you accept my verbosity llike you have received my other
mistakes....======
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Re: Defining Wisdom

Postby Sabina » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:11 pm

Alvino wrote: SABINA what color shirt AM I wearing rite now?

sabina being smart , very smart will respond: I DO NOT KNOW.

sabina I am wearing a YELLOW SHIRT.

now her response is CHANGED.
Al you are wearing a Yellow Shirt.


I must digress at this point, because assuming what someone else would say is not the wisest course of action.

Let's start that conversation from scratch:
Alvino: Sabina, what color shirt am I wearing right now?
Sabina: I don't know.
Alvino: I am wearing a yellow shirt.

You are assuming that at this point my response would change, and it might, but not the way you guessed. So, if after sharing the color of your shirt with me, you (or anyone) were to ask me about your shirt color, I could say:
"According to Alvino his shirt is yellow."
or
"Based on what Alvino told me, his shirt is yellow."
or
"Alvino thinks that his shirt is yellow."
or
"I don't know."

The only thing I would definitely not claim, and I can say this beyond any doubt, is that you are wearing a yellow shirt.

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