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Beliefs - References

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:18 pm
by Sabina
In our talk about beliefs we have used various references.. the same references can come in handy for various things, so I thought it might be good to have them all in one topic - just the references, without our opinions. The opinions can be expressed in various other topics, as desired and/or needed.


[size=150]Nightline Face Off: Does Satan Exist?[/size]
[size=85]with Deepak Chopra[/size]



[size=150]Deepak Chopra on Beliefs[/size]
[size=85]Excerpt from the same debate[/size]



[size=150]Deepak Chopra on God[/size]
[size=85]Excerpt from the same debate, the Q&A part at the end[/size]

[color=#5f0000]"If something is real, you don't need to believe in it, you just experience it.
And God is real because we can experience God.
When we experience love, compassion, insight, inspiration, creativity, revelation, free choice,.. when we harness our energies to improve the world, we are experiencing God.
We don't need to believe in that anymore."



Re: Beliefs - References

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:03 pm
by Sabina
From [size=180][url=]Self-Reliance[/url][/size]
by [url=]Ralph Waldo Emerson[/url]


[color=#6f5600]To believe your own thought,
to believe that what is true for you in your private heart
is true for all men,
- that is genius.[/color]

[color=#7e0000]Speak your latent conviction, and it shall be the universal sense;
for the inmost in due time becomes the outmost.[/color]

[color=#00274c]A man should learn to detect and watch that gleam of light
which flashes across his mind from within,
more than the lustre of the firmament of bards and sages.

Yet he dismisses without notice his thought,
because it is his. [/color]

[color=#7e0000]In every work of genius we recognize
our own rejected thoughts:
they come back to us with a certain alienated majesty.
Great works of art have no more affecting lesson for us than this.
They teach us to abide by our spontaneous impression
with good-humored inflexibility then most
when the whole cry of voices is on the other side.
Else, to-morrow a stranger will say with masterly good sense
precisely what we have thought and felt all the time,
and we shall be forced to take with shame our own opinion from another. [/color]

[color=#6f5600]There is a time in every man's education
when he arrives at the conviction
that envy is ignorance;
that imitation is suicide;
that he must take himself for better,
for worse,
as his portion;
that though the wide universe is full of good,
no kernel of nourishing corn can come to him
but through his toil bestowed on that plot of ground
which is given to him to till.[/color]

[color=#4e006b]The power
which resides in him
is new in nature,
and none but he knows
what that is which he can do,
nor does he know
until he has tried.[/color]

[color=#385500]We but half express ourselves,
and are ashamed of that divine idea
which each of us represents.[/color]

[color=#3b0051]A man is relieved and gay
when he has put his heart
into his work and done his best;
but what he has said or done
otherwise, shall give him no peace.[/color]

[color=#400000]It is a deliverance which does not deliver.
In the attempt his genius deserts him;
no muse befriends;
no invention, no hope. [/color]

[color=#594500]Trust thyself:
every heart vibrates to that iron string.
Accept the place the divine providence
has found for you,
the society of your contemporaries,
the connection of events.
Great men have always done so,
and confided themselves childlike
to the genius of their age,
betraying their perception
that the absolutely trustworthy
was seated at their heart,
working through their hands,
predominating in all their being.[/color]

[color=#2a4001]What I must do
is all that concerns me,
not what the people think.
This rule, equally arduous in actual
and in intellectual life,
may serve for the whole distinction
between greatness and meanness.[/color]

[color=#5f0000]It is the harder,
because you will always find
those who think
they know what is your duty
better than you know it.[/color]

[color=#3d2f00]It is easy in the world
to live after the world's opinion;
it is easy in solitude
to live after our own;
but the great man is he who
in the midst of the crowd
keeps with perfect sweetness
the independence of solitude. [/color]

[color=#270036]Speak what you think now
in hard words,
and to-morrow speak
what to-morrow thinks
in hard words again,
though it contradict
every thing you said to-day.[/color]

[color=#7e0000]Insist on yourself; never imitate. [/color]

[color=#003260]That which each can do best,
none but his Maker can teach him.
No man yet knows what it is,
nor can, till that person has exhibited it.[/color]

Re: Beliefs - References

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:53 pm
by Sabina
[size=130][color=#594500]"Believe nothing,
no matter where you read it,
or who said it,
no matter if I have said it,
unless it agrees with your own reason
and your own common sense."
[url=]Gautama Buddha[/url][/size]


[color=#5f0000]"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."
[url=]Gautama Buddha[/url][/size]


[size=150][color=#385500]"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around."[/color][/size]
[url=]Henry David Thoreau[/url][/size]

Re: Beliefs - References

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:38 am
by GenerousGeorge
Thanks Sabina......I did love that debate and believe it or not that is the first time I have hard Deepak Chopra. I relate to everything he says and it rings true to my mind and spirit in a way that
Christianity does not. <3

He is very charitable to the Christian philosophy to call it primitive. I believe, I'm sorry to say, that the twisted thinking represented by the two Christians in the debate, is a form of evil in itself. As we used to say in the Army..... "We have found the enemy and he are us!" =0o The Christians are trying to force the current world back into the bronze age, PRIMITIVE, ego driven, totally human motivated selfish drives of the typical Bronze Age men & Women that wrote the Bible. 80S

The Bible is obviously the result of a bunch of repetitively translated & transcribed collected mythologies, melded and held together primarily by the baser desires of the human leaders of the time for their own selfish purposes and to maintain power over the people. =0X

They did then and still do today seek to maintain their power and promote their egos through the priveleged interpretation of an old BS collection of fantasy and science fiction stories they have proclaimed SACRED! This sacred word was then and is today "untouchable" and not allowed to be questioned by the common man. B0)

Over time, successive power driven humans sealed the power of god for themselves by promoting the word of the Bible sacred and the ultimate morality guide. A guide not to be subject to normal human reasoning and good old "COMMON SENSE". Not only that, it was their duty to save as many other unclean potential "TITHERS" as they could by indoctrinating them into their cult like and primitive organization. 80S

For me, it as plain as the nose on your face from the words, actions and luidicrous comment from Christians listening to and commenting from the audience on the debate, that they had become real good at chanting the words of the bible, and had long ago given up any human freedom to think for themselves about the true nature of God and spirituality in general. 80|

Many will think my comments are rude, sacriligeous and filled with hate. I assure you that is not true and ask for any thoughtful replies you might be willing to take some time to give. :0)